And trying to figure out what is the right move. There’s growing uprisings against white supremacy but each of those uprisings happens because someone else dies and that grief is exhausting. But before that, you know, we’ve been in an exhausting period of history. It’s like we have to figure everything out ourselves and try to find the best practice to stay alive ourselves. Someone imagined that able bodied people made sense and that the world should be orientated around that, as opposed to orientated around the biodiversity of bodies we actually have, right? So it’s all imagined and so then when you realise that I think that awakening makes you like, “ Oh wait, so it doesn’t have to be this way? It can be some other way?” And I think we’re in that place.īut I also think right now, 2022, I think we’re fatigued… I think right now there’s a collective exhaustion in effect… we’re tired of being in the constant adaptations of the pandemic, and also, depending on where you live, having to be so self-protective. Someone imagined white was superior, male was superior. It’s not a fact, it’s not something that’s played out over time. … So I still think we’re in that same zone, right? But it’s like we’re recognising that if the world we live in has a root system in imagination, right, that someone imagines white supremacy. How would you evaluate the state of health of our collective imagination in 2022? I read one time you said, “We are in an imagination battle” and I wonder where are we at, do you think?
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